RCC Pro Sexual Sin & Perversion   

The following is a debate between Nicholas and Andrew on the issue of sexuality as taught and witnessed in the Catholic Church. Nicholas parades the moral faults of a few as the consensus of the whole. 

Nicholas writes:  

RCC force teaching masterbation and homosexuality  
NBC DATELINE 6-29-98 @ 9:00pm REPORTS:  

Roman Catholic Church / School in Ft. Lauderdale Florida expelled all the children from the family of Mr & Mrs Anderson as well as excommunicate the Andersons from the Roman catholic church. Why? The Andersons did not want their Church to teach their children the aspects of "Masterbation & Homosexulaity" in their school curriculum along with other very objectional materials. The Andersons have tried for three years to get them to stop. They even tried holding a prayer vigil on the property of the Church. Their Roman catholic Church had the police remove them from the property for praying. The Andersons are actually very devout catholics. Mr and Mrs Anderson even participated in the Mass as Eucharistic ministers. And this is how they are treated because they choose not to allow their children to be taught things that sinful and very disgusting.   

Keep in mind people. It's not like this is something new for the Roman Catholic Church. Notice the following articles. You tell me, does the RCC have a problem with SEX?  

Sony, Vatican Radio premier pope's first pop CD  
Weekend News Today   
http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=99_03_18&item=#921765150  
Excerpt from BOTH...  
"They showed one video Wednesday: MTV-paced, digitally doctored, rapid-fire cuts of John Paul embracing children, strolling mountains and dunes, greeting the faithful, appearing pensive, all to an orchestral background. The spirit of the video is upbeat and warm, although there's a jarring moment in which a man and woman appear in profile - naked or near enough to count as such, for the few seconds they show. ``Abba Pater'' - one of the cuts on the CD as well as the title - is the Aramaic and Latin for ``Father.''   

Catholic Charities has more than $5 million worth of contracts with the city, but for Levada, more important is Catholic doctrine that says while simply being a homosexual is not a sin... Chgo SunTimes Feb. 16, 1997 Section Religion p. 34 art. S.F., Catholic Charities battle over benefits for GAY partners   

Cardinal Bernardin writes... On homosexuality: he says GAYS ARE CHILDREN OF GOD, that they should be loved and that Catholics ought to DEFEND THEIR RIGHTS. ... God's plan for sexuality ... is best fulfilled in a stable union... But to teach that in no way is to belittle a person who may have a homosexual orientation. Chgo SunTimes Oct. 21, 1994 p. 18 art. Bernardin Letter Tackles Hot Topics for Teenagers  

ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS GOD "CREATES" PEOPLE GAY  
CNN News 10-1-97 reports: Roman Catholic church states that homosexuals should not be condemned. The RCC says their sexual orientation is not freely CHOSEN.   

IS IT UNEXPECTED? THIS EXPLAINES ALL THE NUMEROUS PRIESTS BEING CAUGHT, SUED, AND JAILED FOR MOLESTING BOYS... ANYONE CAN LOOK TO THE WWW AND FIND HUNDREDS OF ARTICLES TO PROVE THIS AS A FACT... HERE'S JUST A "FEW"...  

http://cnn.com/US/9803/28/priest.sexual.abuse.ap/index.html   

And yes... The Roman Catholic Church tried to COVER UP the actions of another molesting priest! Dallas diocese "covered up" molesting priests actions! A 119 Million dollar mistake!   

http://cnn.com/US/9707/24/priest.lawsuit/   

The Roman Catholic Church looses 102 MILLION DOLLARS thanks to this molesting priest    

http://www.wfaa.com/news/24/kos_trial.shtml   

(((CHECK OUT THE RELATED SITES AS WELL.. TONS OF INFO!!)))   

FORT WORTH - The Vatican has taken the rare step of returning convicted pedophile priest Rudolph "Rudy" Kos, 53, to lay status -- The Vatican did not, however, take the step of nullifying his ordination, which would mean that Kos 
never was a validly ordained priest. Kos is serving a life sentence in prison for molesting altar boys. The scandal led to a record $119.6 million verdict against the Diocese of Dallas, the largest clergy sexual abuse award in US history, 
though it was later greatly reduced. In a criminal trial later, Kos was convicted of sexual assault and indecency charges for molesting four boys more than 1,350 times between 1987 and 1992. Kos, who pleaded guilty to some assault and indecency charges, was suspended from his priestly functions and benefits in 1993, shortly after accusations surfaced. 

The Vatican's action also relieves the Dallas Diocese of financial responsibility for Kos if he ever is released from prison. 7/9 Associated Press SAN ANTONIO   

This priests molests 4 young boys 1,350 TIMES! And the Vatican merely slaps his limp wrist?  

What's this world coming to?  

AN END!  
         
Andrew responds: 

The CATHOLIC CHURCH teaches that sexual self-gratification and perverse acts are SINS to be avoided. 

The universal catechism states:    

About Masturbation . . .    
[2352] . . . "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is AN INTRINSICALLY AND GRAVELY DISORDED ACTION" (PERSONA HUMANA, 11). "The deliberate faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose" (IBID., 9). For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved" (IBID., 9).    

About Homosexuality . . .    
[2357] . . . Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of GRAVE DEPRAVITY (Gen. 19:1-29; Rom. 1:24-27; 1 Cor. 6:10; 1 Tim. 1:10), tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are INTRINSICALLY DISORDERED" (PERSONA HUMANA, 8). They are contrary to natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN THEY BE APPROVED.    

All Catholics must believe the teaching against such activity in good standing. Other issues may be involved in such a crisis as the one mentioned in the initial post of which we are not aware. Further, the misdeeds of a few, as I have said before, do not diminish the universal truths of faith. Many priests have had their services interrupted by radical homosexuals and sacrilege committed. Secular psychologists ridicule the Church because of her teachings against self-pollution and sodomy.    

Your portrayal of Catholicism as soft on such matters is not only a distortion of the truth but a slander against good ministers who have suffered for upholding marriage and chastity.    

Nicholas writes: 

Funny how the Catechsim says one thing and REALITY of Catholicism is quite another.   

The CCD of Catholicism is bad enough with all it's easily proven twisted Scriptures and Pagan rituals. But now I see they are using it to say they DON'T do as the REALITY says they do like some "horse outta the barn" smoke screen tactic eh? The Catechsim can say all the "moral" things it wants, fact is REAL LIFE proves that the only reason the Catechism has those things printed is so when the Church messes up BIG TIME in front of BILLIONS of eyes they can always count on the lies of their Catechism to "decieve" some of those that SAW them sin into thinking they "don't approve"   

Tell ya what Andrew... Bring your Catechism to those THOUSANDS of young boys that were molested and see how it makes them forget about the horrors their priests put them through. Or bring that book to those MILLIONS of family members in the past that SAW their loved ones burned at the stake, boiled in oil, drawn and quartered, and skinned alive. See how convincing it is to them. Do you think they will say, "Oh, look, it says here that the RCC doesn't approve of such acts, golly gee, I guess we were mistaken all along? Our loved ones really weren't being tortured in front of us." Not likely!   

The RCC is doing things DAILY that proves them to be a demonic hellish slime pit of Antichristian wolves in sheeps clothing reeking havock on the poor and innocent. My only drawback is that I am but one man trying to find the time to catalog all the crud they do. The TRUTH is there is so many articles about the ridiculous Satanic antics of the RCC that i truly do not have enough time in the day or YEAR to be able to catalog them all. Plus, I am positive the ISP I  subscribe to would not allow me to jam up their 85 Gig harddrive with such crud. There are other people that want to use it you know.   

To date, if you were to take what I have JUST ON LINE you would find well over 600 full size sheets of paper with numerous DOCUMENTED facts each that prove. The VATICAN is the home of SATAN. I won't even venture to guess how many volumes of info I have in my offline research that may never reach the website. I have been watching this church now 14 YEARS and let me tell you, it makes for a FEW filled filing cabinets! I just pray that one day soon the Almighty blesses me with the opportunity to make ALL of it public!   

Andrew responds: 

But remember that nicholas defines his faith ONLY IN OPPOSITION to Catholicism (responding to a third party insertion).  

. . . this creates an antagonistic situation from the very start . . . it is quite different from sharing faith and dialoguing respectfully about differences.  

. . . Nicholas (and his associates) see themselves on a crusade to mock Catholic claims and to draw members out from a church which they characterize as under the authority of the anti-Christ.  

. . . that is why there is disparagement of the likes of Mother Teresa who loved Christ in the poor . . . she remained firmly rooted in Catholicism, participating in daily Mass and going to confession weekly . . . having served and died in this (so-called) error, they logically must conclude that her soul was lost . . . she not only lived Catholicism but preached it without compromise.  

. . . similarly they must malaign the current Pope, even though he has done much to bring Catholics and Protestants closer together . . . and according to President Reagan and Gorbachev was essential in bringing down the communist Iron Curtain.  

. . . by their fruits we shall know them . . . we might have severe doctrinal differences, but with respect there can come true brotherhood in Christ.  

Peace. 

P.S. Note that no comment can be offered at this site [PRESENTS OF GOD] without some degree of rebuttal . . . it is a combative place, of that there is no doubt.